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Posted: 8:46 PM Mar 18, 2008
Last Updated: 8:46 PM Mar 18, 2008
Reporter: Rae Chelle Davis
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Neighbors in the 700 block of SW 25th were awakened by the sound of gunshots around 3 a.m. Tuesday morning.

Topeka police responded to a call at 7418 SW 25th. The caller said there had been a shooting involving an off-duty officer. Police had received two prior calls regarding the 7418 residence before the call of the shooting. Both had been noise related and the residence was quiet when police left.

The TPD says four off-duty offices were at the scene when one of them fired shots. No names have been identified but a 27 year old and 18 year old suffered life threatening gunshot wounds. They were both male. Major John Sidwell confirmed that all four officers have been placed on administrative leave until the investigation is complete.

The investigation was turned over to the Shawnee County Sheriff's Office because of the off-duty officers involved. The Sheriffs Office continued their investigation throughout the day on Tuesday.

The Topeka Police Department is conducting an internal investigation into the incident to see if all department policies were followed.

Click on the video tab above to hear what neighbors had to say regarding the incident.

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Posted by: jeri Location: topeka on Mar 24, 2008 at 10:40 AM
the llamas house was foreclosed on several months ago anyway and hopefully now the bank will not be afraid to get them evicted. this house has been a problem in the neighborhood since they moved in. the neighbors are afraid to do anything in fear of retaliation. this neighborhood has been referred to as "copland" because of how many cops live out here, but they dont want anyone coming after their property or families so they just overlook it too'

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Topeka on Mar 23, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Yeah, lets let the on duty handle the situation as always. Instead of monitoring other places, lets have one officer drive around the block over and over all night, so the Llamas won't get an idea to turn the music back up. Just think what would have happened if that did not come to a head. They would be having another party any time now again, after 2:00AM in the morning. How long would it have taken for something to happen between the Llamas and another neighbor if this continued to go on? We should not be sticking up for rude behavior, and rude people, who can't think of their other fellow neighbor's.

Posted by: A Grandmother Location: Topeka on Mar 23, 2008 at 09:28 AM
I know nothing about this case but what I have read and was told by my grandson mother who is one of the neighbor's. They were taking the boys downstairs when the shooting started, so they had to wake them to get them downstairs. (At that time of the morning they shouldn't have to wake them up). So here is my question's? 1. How do know that they still wasn't in uniform. 2. Why is it that they had to be drunk maybe they just got of duty a 2a.m.. 3. I was always told that a police officer is always on duty in uniform or out. 4. Does anyone know for sure that they were on the property? 5. I'm not taking TPD side in anyway I do KNOW that there are bad COPS on the force and there is racism on the police force. But when the police was called so many times to the house for loud music maybe there was a reason they were there maybe they live in the area? So let the Justice system run it course it is not great but that is all we have. So just stop bashing everyone and wait and see.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Kansas on Mar 22, 2008 at 08:11 PM
I have to agree with Police Wife and Backing The TPD. You go guys. My heart goes out to the officers involved. Thanks for taking care of our town.

Posted by: anonymous on Mar 22, 2008 at 07:17 PM
Police Wife- The llamas family was at their OWN house at 3 am. They werent walking down the street to another house to cause trouble. The off duty officers should have let the on duty officers handle the situation. period. Now im not bashing the tpd, but they are NOT always in the right.

Posted by: no name Location: topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM
i agree with who ever said there were alot of dirty cops on the topeka police dept i have seen how they have treated a person bad for no reason at all

Posted by: BackingTheTPD Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Mr. A, you clearly don't read the newspaper. The Police Department did not purchase an $800,000 helicopter, the city council purchased that. Second, how can you say the police act so unprofessionally, are you one of them? Or do you just interact with them on a regular basis due to the fact that you can't follow the rules and get caught. And third, if you think the police are so unprofessional why don't you try brushing up on your grammar and spelling skills before you post a horribly written, empty and judgmental comment for all of the public to read.

Posted by: Police Wife Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 10:07 PM
This message is for all of you who have questions about off duty officers being active at 3 am. Here is my question to you, if it is so wrong for these officers to be out at 3 am, why was it ok for the Llamas family? As the wife of a police officer I can tell you that these guys work late hours, a lot of overtime and often have different sleeping habits than the rest of us that work from 8-5. If you saw some of the things these guys see, you might not be asleep at 3 am either. Don't judge these officers until you have walked in their shoes, and I can tell, by many of your comments that you have never even come close to being in these guy's shoes. If you had, you wouldn't be saying the empty ignorant things you are saying. I'm sorry the public doesn't know the whole story and up until the Llamas family decided to broadcast "their" side of the story, you didn't know theirs either. There are A LOT of honest officers working hard to keep this city safe, don't forget about them.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 21, 2008 at 03:32 PM
We all know who initiated this whole thing. The darn party animals in the first place. If things were kept at a certain level, then this all never would have happened in the first place. Just one of the off duty officers should have walked down the street, stayed off the property, and recorded the house from a distance to prove if it was that loud in the first place, to prove to the on duty officers. Pure evidence! Then they could go after them, since someone there obviously kept a lookout for when the police arrived each time, before the third.

Posted by: Joey Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Some want names. The rest of us want some justice served from those who have no clue what it means to be quiet, shut up, so we can sleep at night, that still have a job. Not everyone works second or third shift around there. Not sticking up for the officers, but what do you expect to eventually happen if nothing gets resolved. Those neighbors can't go over there and tell them to constantly be quiet, over and over, nothing getting done. Police show up, music turned down over and over again. Yes,how will anything at that address ever get resolved? Everyone around there are just to be bullied by one house. Go ahead and give out there names. Then we can throw everyone in jail that goes after those officers for retaliation, which should be all the troublemakers left to catch in this town. Give out the names before we know the entire story. How backwards. Why is it taking so long on the report anyways? Let's get it out. Then we will see who is at fault.

Posted by: David Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 03:10 PM
Well let there be no assuming this. What are off duty police officers doing around 3:00AM. Something they should not have to do, which is trying to get something resolved once and for all, from irresponsible party hosts. It's obvious they have had numerous parties in the past, according to neighbors on the news saying so. We can pray for them all we want, but somone need's to teach them and others, that they do not rule the neighborhood. There are others that live around their house on all four corners. Have common sence, either keep it to a decent noise level, or don't have parties period. The off duty officers may have made a bad decision, but don't be saying the entire police department is screwed up. Its either cop bashing, or what's so wrong about having parties, and keeping neighbors up anyways. Grow up. A responsible person, or persons, would have enough common sense to know when it is too loud for others around them. This problem with them did not just start last week.

Posted by: citizenofpolicestate Location: topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I also demand to know the names of the officers involved and the circumstances. If this would have been done by a civilian the details would have been released. Why should the officers be treated differently?

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I feel sorry for there neighbors that have to live beside them. Stories from the neighbors that said the parties, fights and music coming from that house does not make them the Topeka perfect award winners.

Posted by: extremelyfunny Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Please explain as to why this story needs national attention.. Until you know the facts.. keep your mouths shut.. All of you are assuming they were drunk, showed up and started firing. I know for a fact, that did not happen. NONE of you know what your talking about. But since its the TPD its automatically their fault now isnt it? None of you must have family members that are part of the TPD do you? If so, you wouldnt be saying this. Its really hard for me to see my loved one out there EVERYDAY protecting people like you. How about we take them all of the streets and see what happens since they dont do anything anyway. All you people make me sick to my stomach!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: SWTopeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 11:36 AM
For many months, numerious complaints have been filed against the Llamas residence to the City of Topeka. All in reference to loud music-parties, disorderely people coming and going through out the night. Gun shots fired in the middle of the night. The ball was droppped some where to the City Council/Mayor/TPD Chief of Police. Why was this type of negative behavior allowed to continue, in a upper middle class neighborhood. City Codes need to be modfied to have a more stricker city code enforcement in keeping the peace!!!

Posted by: Mary Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 09:53 AM
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO EMAIL ALL THE NATIONAL TV NEWS MEDIA'S AS I REALLY BELIEVE WE NEED SERIOUS HELP TO ATTRACT NATIONAL ATTENTION TO THIS OUTRAGEOUS INCIDENT THAT STINKS OF CORRUPTION AT ALL LEVELS!

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 21, 2008 at 07:26 AM
"I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK"- Since when did there become a minimum or maximum numebr of bullets a person can fire to stop a threat? Police dont shoot to injur, they dont shoot to kill, the shoot until the threat stops. If it takes one, great. If it takes more, well then, the ammo may get expensive. A persons size has absolutely nothing to do with how many times you shoot someone. No matter how big or small, you will continue to be shot until your threatening deadly actions cease. Educate yourself with police practices before judging on them. People on here are already saying that when "it" comes out, we'll see if the police are lying or not. Your already declaring the situation a lose lose for the police. If they are found liable/responsible, then it's "we told you so". If there not, then its "oh, theres this big cover up". Let the sheriff do his job.

Posted by: Witness Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 07:15 AM
IMJUSTAGIRL, who cares if they were identified themselves. What would that have changed? So your saying the Llamas' would pull a gun on joe blow citizen but not the police? Thats the way it sounds.

Posted by: Witness Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 07:06 AM
KRIS- Get your fact straight before accusing police of wrongdoing. I was an eyewitness to the police shooting the man at 29th and Fairlawn. I stuck around and yes made a statement. I was in a lead vehicle on the opposite side of the intersection when this happened. The guy behind the wheel floored the gas petal and drove towards the officer, keep in mind this is after he rammed two vehicles (civilians) around him. He made the decision that he was going to die that day, not the officers. The officers were clearly protecting the publics intrest. Get your fact straight buddy. Its people like you who make comments without knowing the facts.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 21, 2008 at 07:00 AM
Theres alot of dirty cops on the Topeka Police force.

Posted by: Wake Up Location: Topeka on Mar 21, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Did all the officers fire their guns, or just one out of the four, or how many total. We shall find out. They made a mental mistake going onto the property. They could have handled it better. Why one of them could not have come up with that idea, which may have, until something unexpected happened. Who knows. Never thought I would see so much officer bashing. Every job has bad seeds, but don't judge an entire department, because of a few. Glad I am not one. I would be afraid to be seen in public right now from insane comments I have read on CJ Online. There are more thugs in this town that I thought. Those neighbors have every right to be concerned. Who wants to go to work after being kept up from irresponsible next door neighbor's? Some posts I read, I take as if it is okay to have such behavior. My word, have we totally lost our morals in this town? Be respctful to your neighbors. Can't learn to keep you and your guests under control. Live somewhere else. Far away.

Posted by: Nana on Mar 20, 2008 at 11:04 PM
I have some new neighbors and they look like they are going to be loud this summer. They have a stupid dog that is tied up and barks all the time late at night already. Can you 4 off-duty cops go over there and take care of the dog for me. And if I am right about my neighbors going to be loud this summer can you take shoot them for me. thanks.

Posted by: Anonymous50 on Mar 20, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I may not agree with how the TPD handles things or treats people. I don't think the off-duty cops shouldn't have gone over to the house especially if they were drinking. But if I need to call the Police I expect them to be there for me no matter how I feel about them. They work for us citizens. Don't forget that. Some of you may not the President of the U.S. but you want him to do the best thing for us.

Posted by: Prayers For Llamas Family Location: SW Topeka Near Llamas Family on Mar 20, 2008 at 10:17 PM
This just goes to show alot of people do not know details and just want to assume stuff. What were 4 off duty officers doing out at 3am anyways and no matter what no guns should of been brought out on anyone's part. But Daniel and Devin you are in my thoughts and prayers and Daniel's little girls and boys you are very thought about also. I wish the entire family to get well and please take care. Just also goes to show how screwed up the Topeka Police Department is. I was wanting to become a police officer but this is making me re-think about wanting to become part of such a screwed up department.

Posted by: wow Location: Topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 07:35 PM
Appauled: I apologize for my generalized comments. Those were directed at the citizens that have the nerve to chastize what I do but don't have the nerve to put their lives on the line for the same reasons. I know in general, the citizens of Topeka are grateful for what officers do, I have just heard enough and probably shouldn't have commented in the first place. I give you my thanks for being one of the few that is willing to help a person in need and pray that you continue to do so. We need more people like you in this community. Again, I apologize, that was in no way directed to the intelligent citizens of this community. God bless

Posted by: appauled Location: Topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 02:47 PM
Dear WOW: I was not going to comment on this story until all the details came out. But just like several other people on here that have generalized every police officer in Topeka, You have just generalized every citizen in Topeka as being ungrateful know it alls. Thanks so much I'm glad that someone with this kind of attitude is protecting our families. Since we are all so ungrateful! I am not an off duty police officer but I would also help a stranger in need and have several times. Maybe you should think before you type. I do hope that the Llamas brothers recover well regardless of who is to be blamed.

Posted by: TopekaCitizen Location: Topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 01:45 PM
Praying Location: you are so far offbase with your ranting its laughable. The family will get nothing when the truth is released. Well, they may get something in the form of charges against them. When you need help in the near future law enforcement will be there but you will be unappreciative of their efforts to keep our community safe.

Posted by: munckin Location: topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 12:40 PM
may be people wouldnt be against the police department if they didnt f**k up so much. not everone at the TPD is bad but a whole lot of them are. I grew up with the Llamas' and even back 15 yrs ago they were a tight family, if you messed with one you got the whole family. that doesnt mean that they are bad people its just that they care and look out for their own family.

Posted by: Praying Location: SW Topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 11:01 AM
This is such a sad thing to happen. All of you so called neighbors aon't have to worry about your neighbors for too long. Thanks to the actions of some "off"duty role model police officers. All you may be hearing in a while is $KACHING$..so thank theses off duty police officers for creating a situation where we will DESERVEDLY SO..pay the LLamas family what they deserve. So think about it neighbors what is the monetary value you put on your own life..your loved ones etc. This is what happens in a city where renegade, better than you attitude, self righteous,prejudice, police and neighbors.

Posted by: wow Location: topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 10:45 AM
That is all I have to say about this. 1: it does matter who drew their weapon first. 2: E.Topekan, believe it or not, cops pay taxes too, so we like to think of ourselves as self-employed. 3: You are all un-informed, you don't have a clue what happened with the exception of what Damien Llamas has said and if that is what you choose to believe, you are an idiot. 4: While you are chastizing the PD, think about what you do for a living and if you think that you can do our job better, apply, we are hiring. 5: Officers are officers, 24/7, if you don't believe that or don't think that should be true, the next time you are in trouble and all that is availiable is an off-duty LEO, don't ask for help, even though they will help anyway, because that is who we are. 6: This city is an amazing entity, of un-greatful and know it all citizens, the truth will come out and all of you will owe an apology for the nasty things you have said. I hope the brothers are ok, but they are not victims.

Posted by: extremelyfunny Location: topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 09:36 AM
once again, everyone is jumping to conclusions that they know the story and the police just show up at these peoples house and start shooting.. if you dont know the story.. keep your comments to yourself until the actual details come out. I can GUARANTEE you, that is not how it happened.. not in the slightest. But everyone is so against the TPD, so its automatically their fault.. I was wondering how long it was going to take for someone to throw out the "minority" card... Figures..

Posted by: Anonymous Location: concerned citizen on Mar 20, 2008 at 07:26 AM
First of all I wish everyone in the Llamas family my prayers. Its a shame that people can't party in there homes and feel safe without some nosey neighbor always wanting to interfere. As for the TPD what are you going to do now Chief Miller if it was the other way around I'am sure the Llamas brothers would not be out and running the streets of Topeka. So where are these four so call police officers now oh thats right with there families. Not like any other citizen that would be locked up. I hope the Hispanic community will come together and make sure that these officers get whats coming to them or should I say all citizens of Topeka that has had enough of this treatment my some officers.

Posted by: TheNeighbor Location: Topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 06:58 AM
Let's get a couple things straight. There are some things neighbors don't appreciate at that house, loud parties, cars late at night with loud stereos, bullets flyin (and yes, they have before over there). When you have to try to put your kid back to sleep after it's been woke up at 2:00am it can be a litle frustrating. On the flip side, TPD screwed this up, some officers that is and not all cops are bad. Just like there are some bad doctors and bad postmen, etc. Bad apples are everywhere. The real concern should be the health of the shooting victims and hoping this doesn't get swept under the rug. Just because we don't agree with someone's lifestyles don't mean we need to bash someone for lying in a pool of blood in their front yard. People are trying to bring up his past to make it seem that the situation is okay. Nobody deserves this, father, son, friend, whatever. Daniel, Devin and family you are in our prayers.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 05:35 AM
Why does everyone think they know what is best for Topeka, The Llamas, and the NEIGHBORHOOD. No one knows what happened but the people that was there. What everyone has forgot is that there was little KIDS that could have been hurt. And a police officers my not be on the clock but they are always on duty. So Stop bashing The Llamas and The Police Dept.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen Location: Topeka on Mar 20, 2008 at 12:29 AM
I know the Llamas brothers, and yes they may party and get a little rowdy, (who doesnt at one time or another?), but they wouldn't intentionaly harm someone, esp w/ weapons unles they themselves or someone they loved was being hurt or threatened. And futhermore, the off-duty officers never announced they were officers, they were on Llamas's personal property (which I would have to say is trespassing), and they came from a party down the street. It shouldnt matter who pulled the gun first, the off-duty officers were in the wrong all the way around. First off, if they were drinking, they shouldnt have had their guns, that is like giving a drunk car keys and letting him drive off. Second, they should have identified themselves as officers, esp being on private property. If they would have identified themselves, none of this would have happened. Now a friend of mine is in the hospital w/ 4 gunshot wounds and is lucky to be alive. The 4 officers should be held accountable for their actions.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:55 PM
I dont understand why they never release the names of officers that are involved in these shootings. Why dont we have the right to know who they are? I really dont think its fair that everyone can go and look up court records on the llamas' and bash them for everything. Those court records that you guys are looking up do not even matter in this situation, they are different cases that happened at a different time. I mean, who are you to judge the life they live? Before you go pointing fingers make sure your own hands are clean. Have you never partied in your life time? They are young adults, young adults party. Now im not saying that either party here is in the right. But from what I have read so far, I think the llamas boys are the victims here. I hope they are doing ok and recover well from this. Truth is, none of us were there that night, and so none of us know what happened. All we know is what the paper and news will tell us.

Posted by: e.topekan Location: east topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 09:02 PM
I, a taxpayer, demand that the police cheif release the names of the "officers", now! If the TPD is going to unoffically trash the victims family on cjonline.com - we should be able to research the shooter's records as well!!! Was this a cop who covered up for his buddy that was taking cocaine from evidence? Was this a cop that takes payoffs not to look at certain night establishments? Was this a cop who drinks and drives?? We'll never know, most likely.

Posted by: Kris Location: Topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 08:36 PM
Travis said, "Someone please get the police department under control before the kill someone." They've already killed many unarmed "criminals". For example, the man passed out in his car on 27th who attempted to flee in his car and they shot him in the head on church property. Or the guy at 29th & Fairlawn that they shot during the morning rush and lied about the circumstances to make it appear he threatened them. The report on this shooting never corroborated the threat or produced a weapon, it was after-the-fact hearsay evidence of police officers to cover an execution pure and simple. I was personally beat up by a TPD officer and then charged with "interference with an officer" for getting pulverized. I lost $1,000 income and had to pay a $116 fine for the privilege of not facing trial with multiple officers lying, with a possible outcome of up to a year in prison. I was the victim of an assault by a police officer, and they charged me! Shame on the TPD. This incident is typical.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: SW TOPEKA on Mar 19, 2008 at 07:20 PM
I BET THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS QUITE FROM NOW ON! THE BULLIES ON 25TH ST ARE NO MORE!

Posted by: Read more carefully and know what your talking about!!! Location: Kansas on Mar 19, 2008 at 06:35 PM
That house is a problem because people don't mind their own business. the TPD protects who they want to protect. I know this from experience and I'm sure its not the same officers from this case. So do I get to pick and choose the officers I want to come to my rescue, probably not. Yes we all do make mistakes but not alot of us make mistakes that take others lives. If you don't like what people have to say stay off the site. Quick and thorough is what you said. How about just thorough. The comment didn't say 4 shots were fired it said he was shot 4 times which is absolutely TRUE!!!

Posted by: Mr. A Location: Topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 05:26 PM
The Topeka Police should get a black eye for this. They do things so unprofessional. This was bound to happan. From their detectives not following any of the proper procedures to thier beat officers pressuring peaple into pressing charges. The Topeka Police need a complete Department investigation. Maybe before spending $800,000 for a new helicoptor we should be spending the money for a Department cleaning. I see several officers wasting our tax money. They break laws themselves and then get atitude while in the face of a Topeka citizen. SHAME ON THE TOPEKA POLICE DEPARTMENT!

Posted by: agdf on Mar 19, 2008 at 04:59 PM
I must agree with Police Wife, ignorance is bliss. I agree, but it is a shame what has happened here. As a person that works in the law enforcement field I do have to say it is hurting both officers and citizens see all of this unfold. I received news of this being as an acquaintance of the victims and I was embarrassed to know that fellow colleagues have given another reason for the citizens of Topeka to undoubtedly respect officers. I commend the work of real honorable officers who do their job fairly and risk their life on a daily basis for the citizens of Topeka, and am embarrassed for those four officers for who chose to act poorly on their judgment. And mr. “Know what u are talking about” whether the Llamas caused trouble or not, you have two men fighting for their lives with children who are wondering if daddy will make it ok. You should NEVER wish anyone the worst. As far as the victims and their family I am keeping you in my prayers and hope all outcomes well. My support goes

Posted by: extremelyfunny Location: topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 04:09 PM
Yeah and Im sure once the investigation is complete.. and lets say the TPD is cleared.. im sure everyones going to state they got off once again since everyone in topeka seems to be against the TPD.. but by golly, they are sure going to call them when something goes wrong.

Posted by: hoosierdaddy Location: topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 02:32 PM
I think we will learn the facts soon enough. This story is hot enought that the Sheriffs will do a quick yet thorough investigation and the TPD will also have their internal investigation finished. I think we'll have a better picture of the events that took place in about a week.

Posted by: BackingOurTPD Location: Topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 02:07 PM
Of course the officers were tested for alcohol, so were the other parties involved. It is standard protocol any time anything like this happens to test all parties for drugs and alcohol. All of you who want to sit here and complain about the horrible acts of our TPD had better take a step back and look at who is PROTECTING you every day. The actions of a few officers don't represent an entire department. The facts in this case will come out, clearly that house has been a problem in the past but it seems that so many would rather look past that and blame the TPD instead. Maybe not everyone acted as they should have, maybe they did, but we are all human and all of us do make mistakes. None of us know exactly what happened there that night, only the individuals involved know everything. If you don't like the way things are handled here stop complaining and find somewhere else to live.

Posted by: Know what u are talking about Location: SW Topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 01:34 PM
How can this be a closed investigation and so many of you know what is going on? some one wrote 4 shots were fired, u have no clue. Going to a home to tell people to knock off the noise is NOT illegal. Having a drink off duty is NOT illegal. And how do we know if these Police officers were drinking...Assumptions! Lets let the facts come out...I do know for a FACT that these Llamas Brothers are TROUBLE! I am sooooo sure they were just being so nice and polite....the cops had been called out 2 other times that day. I say GOOD FOR THE TOPEKA P.D. I hope they get off with an Atta-Boy! Criminals and Bad neighbors of Topeka...respect your authority!

Posted by: Topeka Resident Location: Topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Topeka PD is a joke. End of story.

Posted by: Shaun Location: Topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:38 AM
I think it's very messed up that 4 off duty cops shot two people and all they got was administrative leave . They should be locked up for doing something like that! Anybody else would have been locked up for shooting someone. What makes these guys any different?? And Mary,your right about the llamas family. They are well known. I know they very well. And I'm sure all of them are better people than you! They are friends of mine! I hope they are doing fine.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:30 AM
I think it is awful that you want to convict someone because of their last name, I hope everyone who thinks because your name is Llamas you are a criminal knows everyone that shares their last name. I have witnessed our TPD at work and please believe they are not as innocent as they want everyone to believe. My husband is of hispanic bacground and I am caucasian and our children were taught not to see color so they have a variety of friends and relatives. There were several of these kids playing basketball at my house when a police officer made a U turn in the middle of a busy street just to come over and ask the kids what they ere doing. I was outside with these children and never saw them do anything that should have raised suspicion but yet his interest was peaked. It maskes you wonder if it was because of the multiple races or just a bunch of kids gathered means trouble.

Posted by: travis Location: topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 10:50 AM
WOW! Yet another example of out of control police. I too have been a victim of an assualt by an off duty officer in the past who failed to I.D. himself. He completly lied on his police report to secure the conviction that he wanted to if the victims here say they didnt I.D. themselves as cops I beleive that to be true. Someone please get the police department under control before the kill someone.

Posted by: Kansas Citizen on Mar 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM
I hope this does not give the Police Department a black eye...As for Topeka, all you hear about in the news is the crime, someone needs to take back control of the city before it is out of hand!

Posted by: imjustagirl Location: topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 09:55 AM
ok first things first. NOONE knows what really happened yet. everything u hear or read is bits ad pieces of information. i know this family personally and have been a part of "family gatherings" many times and not once did a stuation like this occur!there is so much the public is jumping to conclusions about?Who said the officers were drinking?Noone knows who fired the shots cuse it hasnt been said? Was it the officers or was it the neihbors down the street? Who threw the first punch?If someone was on my property and wouldnt leave bet i as would u do whatever it took to get them off my property.Not to mention these boys are smarter than the comments on here mae them. If they knew it was off duty or on duty officers coming at them they would have not pulled out weapons!HOW ABOUT EVERYONE SHUTS THERE MOUTHS UNTIL THE INVETIGATION IS OVER. NO REASON TO JUDGE THESE INDIVIDUALS!THEY ARE TOPEKA CITIZENS LIKE YOU AND I! GET OUT OF THERE BUSINESS AND AND LET THE TPD DO THERE JOB!

Posted by: extremelyfunny Location: topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 06:59 AM
I find it funny how all of you have different stories stating that you were present in the situation.. Everyone is jumping to conclusions that the officers were drunk, and please tell me how you are coming to that conclusion? What has been released stating that information? Once again, why dont you as "citizens" give it a rest and let the investigation take place instead of trying to jump to conclusions. But you know that if something were to happen to you, car get broken into, robbed, beat up.. whatever.. the TPD would be the first you would call. Now wouldnt it? I find that a little hypocritical.. dont you?

Posted by: inocent bystander Location: Topeka on Mar 19, 2008 at 01:07 AM
I wonder if the off duty officers were tested for alchohol. I also wonder why they would take it upon themselves to walk down the street with thier guns and get into a altercation first and then a fight which then involved shooting then beating a person with their gun. My guess is maybe they partied a bit that St. Patrick's Day and their judgment was impaired. Why else would you do something so stupid? Maybe the two weren't perfect people, but I think someone said in an erlier comment that no one is perfect including all of you. I know for a fact that some (not all) officers abuse their athority. Some of them somehow feel their above the law and can harrass people. If you don't think this is true then your blind. I for one have been victim to this, more than once and I have no criminal record (now what)? And for the one who made comment to how they dress. Well, I myself may not like the "baggy clothes" look, but I am not going to prejudge someone based on looks. Am I to a

Posted by: Mary Location: Topeka on Mar 18, 2008 at 11:05 PM
The Llamas family is well known in Topeka. I'm sure the truth will come out that the police did the right thing.

Posted by: I don't care what you think!! Location: Kansas on Mar 18, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Were the offficers drinking, and if so should they be handling a weapon? Did they announce that they were officers? There were other officers on duty in the area handling the situation. Being off duty and drinking it wasn't in their best interest when they were having a party themselves. It will come out and when it does everyone who is against the residents will know that it depends on who you are. The resident was shot 4 times, I don't know about you but i don't think it takes 4 bullets if your just tring to bring someone down to take them in as an officer is trained to do. Sounds like the alcohol got the beest of him. Think about it, 4 bullets for a man who is of medium build and no taller that 5'9''. If you think that is ok your just as at fault as the officer. A drunk officer I am sure is not part of policy or procedure, as they called it. If you dial 911 o you want a drunk ofiicer coming to your rescue? I think not. It will come out lets just hope TPD doesn't hide facts,

Posted by: Shawnee Co. resident Location: Shawnee Co. on Mar 18, 2008 at 10:24 PM
OUR TOPEKA POLICE DEPARTMENT AT WORK!!

Posted by: TopekaCitizen Location: Topeka on Mar 18, 2008 at 09:54 PM
The off duty officer acted in self defense. The truth will come out. The officers went to the residence to ask them to keep it down. Not liking to be told what to do the residents escalated the situation. The officer didn't show his firearm until one was pulled on him.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen Location: Topeka on Mar 18, 2008 at 09:38 PM
What are four off duty police officers doing at a party with guns. Are they looking for trouble? Alcohol and guns do not mix. Alcohol will make you feel invincible. I guess we will find out just what has happened in another story of power above the badge.

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