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The news of Dr. George Tiller's death has been both shocking and disappointing. When I heard the news Sunday morning, I told my sister and a friend what had happened. The friend responded, "It's about time," and "I'm not surprised someone finally did it." My sister's reaction was the exact opposite. She was outraged that someone would kill another person based on their occupation and beliefs, and even more upset that people would find that okay. Reading some of the comments posted on this web story I wonder, has society become too non-chalant about taking matters into their own hands? Is it really justified that because Dr. Tiller performed late-term abortions he should be killed by someone who thinks abortion is wrong? And if you think it is justified, would you also say that people who, for example, do not believe in gay marriage should assassinate the lawmakers in New Hampshire or Vermont who voted to legalize the union? We so often praise the fact that we live in a free country and that in America we have the right to vocalize our opinions openly. The man who murdered Dr. Tiller had the right to protest abortion all he wanted. He did not have the right to murder someone based on their differing views. I'm curious what your first reaction was to the news that someone gunned down Dr. Tiller while he was in his place of worship. Is this a setback for the pro-life movement and/or does it make a stronger case for the pro-choice? |
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Posted by: C Location: Kansas
It was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!! No one has the "right" to take another life because thier views are different! And at Church no less!! Bad news for everyone! Most of us feel our church is a sancutary, safety, no where you should feel afraid. Is there no where we can just be without feeling unsafe? For shame! Posted by: Bec Location: USA A lot of you hit on very important things and each of you have your own opinions, isn't that what our Country is all about. Freedom of speech, to live our lives within the laws. Life doesn't have to be hard.... you work spend within your means, live by the 10 commandments and all would be fine. Please don't let this Country turn to our government telling us what we can and can't do,communist, if it's not to late! Posted by: jeni Location: manhattan No, I have NO idea who Dr. Tiller was, and didnt' until this story came out. I'm just saying you don't know what his relationship with God was, you don't know alot of things about him. I'm not judging Roeder, I don't know him!! Dr. Tiller ran a legal abortion clinic, what can ya do? I'm not here for name calling, just simply voicing my opinion and i'm going to leave it at we are going to agree to disagree! Posted by: george Location: meriden Jeni, I take it you knew the murderer Tiller by what you say "he was doing what he felt should be done" Yes hitler SERIOUSLY! you can't make a statment like church is for everyone and not get a response like mine. And don't be a hypocrite you are judging Roeder. Also "you said still surprised when people in the area commit horrble crimes" The baby killer Tiller was commiting horrible crimes every day by murdering babies. And if you were a compassionate person you would condem any murders period and that includes the 60,000 plus murders committed by Tiller. Stand up have a voice and don't just set idol and say " I am not pro-choice but people have their own beliefs and are going to do what they want to do" DO WHAT THEY WANT LIKE MURDER BABIES! Posted by: jeni Location: manhattan meriden - personally I am a compassionate person! I do no agree with the practices of Dr. Tiller or Hitler (seriously?), but they were people just the same. There are a lot of people that do things that I don't agree with but they are going to do them whether they I want them to or not. Should people like that be allowed in church? YES, because that's where they NEED to be, to learn about right and wrong and what God expects. Do you personally know Dr. Tiller? Do you know what his personal relationship with God was like? I think not! Roeder was a murderer too and guess what, I think he needs GOD! Don't judge other people it's not your place, and don't judge me based on my opinion, leave that to God! Posted by: Anonymous To k-kid.....I simply had to laugh when you said "Quit thinking about your self in a perfect world!!!!" You're a dumbass cause that is exactly what "most" (not all) women are doing who have an abortion!! Thinking about themselves.... Posted by: k- kid Location: kansas there is a time and place for everything, even abortion! there are so many unwanted kids!!! if your all so against abortion than you should go down to your local adoption agency and pick up a couple kids!!!! Quit thinking about your self in a perfect world!!!!!!! Posted by: george Location: meriden I pose this questions to Jeni in Manhattan you say Church is for everybody, no matter what you do, or who you are, so saying that they "let a mass murderer in" is just rediculous. If Hitler was alive today would you say the same thing about him because there is no difference. It is simple he was a mass murderer PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Paula and Joey Location: Wichita Well said Brian! Babies do feel that pain and suffer alot! Check out youtube on abortions, pretty greusome stuff!! When you see the tiny little hands anf feet and can count all those fingers and toes and see their formation of a face, is that a life not worth having a chance at life??? HUH??? Posted by: Brian Location: VF I can understand those that are frustrated to the point that they are about abortion. But to any of you that say you are happy that he is dead, you do not do anything at all for the cause of prolife by those words! You should practice what you preach! Those words make you out to be just the same as Tiller. The end does not justify the means! Stop and think about what you say and show those around you through your words and actions the type of person that a prolife person should be, show yourself to be a person of humility, a person with compassion/caring for all, and most importantly, a person of integrity. Even if others disagree with your view they still have to respect and admire who you are because of your actions. This has been a long, hard fight; don't bring shame to the prolife movement by bringing shame to yourself! Honor what is right through your actions and words! Posted by: lora Location: ks I think this evil baby killer finally got what he deserved, i'm suprised someone didn't do it sooner. Posted by: Brian Location: VF First reaction was not one of surprise! Was surprised he went to church. More surprised that a church let him continue to come through the doors. The person that killed him had no more moral right to kill him than Tiller had to kill babies. There are extreme people/ideas on both sides of the issue, as are on all issues. It was not the pro-lifers fault that Tiller was killed. I can understand the extreme frustration on abortion and the laws that are suppose to regulate it. Most people are not educated concerning abortion and usually miss the point of the real fight against it. Many claim it to be a “right”, others claim it to be a “religious” issue, this is a MORAL ISSUE. No one has the right to kill anyone just because they are not wanted. Most abortions are performed for birth control only and this is the real issue, plus the horrific, painful manner in which the babies are killed. Babies are cut apart, heads crushed, brains sucked out, acid bath, NO ANESTHESIA, SEVERE PAIN! Posted by: Kate Location: KS Check out abortion on youtube. Unbelievable little remains of slaughtered babies. Now, is that a life???? Answer the question!!!! Both killings were wrong. One killed one, and the other killed thousands!!!! Posted by: Andria Location: Topeka I personally find what Dr. Tiller did for a living to be absolutely evil. And for those claiming he only did what was legal... I would say I question that... there was a an awful lot of "unaccountant for" money donated to former Gov. Sebilus and her friends that makes me believe that he was buying some favors and was most defininately within the gray areas of "legal". That said, I do not in any way think that his murderer should get off easy or anything. The pro-death side is already making a huge deal out of this, right up to the president... while totally ignoring the murder of an Army Recruiter. I can not understand why the death of an innocent baby is fine with them, but murderers and terrorists need to be coddled. The whole thing makes me so sad. Posted by: PJ Location: Topeka I was stunned but not suprised. I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I believe in freedom of choice, after all, God gave Adam and Eve freedom of choice. He was saddened by thier choice and he still gave them free will. This is such a polarized subject, to pro-lifers, there is only one way, no choice.... do it their way. Pro-choice is "you choose I will not judge you for your choice." Late term abortions account for less than 2% of all abortions. Dr Tiller did not force these women to go to the clinic, he respected their decision. No one knows what trama these women had to go through to come to their decision. Pro-lifers shouting "Baby killer" to them as they entered the clinic most likely was worse than the abortion. Posted by: jeni Location: manhattan My initial reaction was WTF, and the more I'm reading about Roeder and the "Freemen", i'm still just baffled. I guess I just did not realize that people with those ideals live around here. I have lived in Kansas all my life and am still surprised when people in the area commit horrble crimes. I guess I am naive but I just view Kansas as a "wholesome" state for the most part. I am not pro-choice but people have their own beliefs and are going to do what they want to do, we are not worthy to judge them, only God can do that. Dr. Tiller was doing what he felt he should be doing, again, I do not agree but it was his personal beliefs. Church is for everybody, no matter what you do, or who you are, so saying that they "let a mass murderer in" is just rediculous. Live and let live and let God be the one who judges one's sins and transgressions! Posted by: Jan Location: Manhattan/Quilter I was very sad when I heard that Dr. Tiller had been murdered. I am very upset that people really wanted him dead for what he did. I think on late term abortion it should be choice. Some of the parents of these babies knew that their baby couldn't live outside of the womb so why prolong thier sorrow. I feel very sorry for the people that are so full of hate that they are glad that Dr. Tiller was killed. It all makes me very sad. Posted by: george Location: meriden My first thought was also its about time. My second was how could a church let a mass murderer in to there church. He murdered childred period. Posted by: sharon Location: topeka Amy, the guy who killed Dr. Tiller is no better than the Dr. Is not murder, murder?? FYI A heart beat on a fetus does not start for 8 day after conception. Late term abortion if given for the right reasons are fine. Even if it is a choice I would even think of. That is why I have 3 grandchildren today after having a child at 17. Posted by: Amazed Maybe you should be waging your tongue and finger at more of our lawmakers than critisize citizens that have an opinion. I'm not saying that it was alright for the gunman to shoot Dr. Tiller, however, if the lawmakers had made it illegal for him to murder babies then maybe he would still be alive today. What do you expect if our government officials are corrupt? Then the people become even more corrupt. You can't fight crime with crime. It only enhances more evil. Maybe if our government tried having more morals there would be less crime. Posted by: Tech Location: Topeka I am not entirely anti-abortion but feel they should only happen in very specific cases and late term abortions are not one of these. Anyone that can survive any of the 6th through the 9th month of pregnancy can survive the birth of the child. Most of these aborted babies could have survived if only given a chance. Who are we to decide that they don't get that chance? Also having Kansas known as the Late-term Abortion State (Tiller), the Anti-Gay State (Phelps) and the Anti-Evolution State (previous State Board of Education) has given the state such a terrible reputation and drawn a lot of critism our way. It would be nice if Kansas could be recognized for its kindness of its people, beauty of its lands and cities, opportunities provided to young people, and the many things we are. Posted by: Patty Location: Meriden I think the media and others are saying this is pro-life supporters fault and it's not. I am pro-life, which does not condone any killing. People are saying he had a right to kill babies and they think the guy who killed Dr. Tiller should get death. Double standard people. Murder is murder no matter how you look at it. Gay rights, other issue. I have friends and family that gay. I love them dearly but do not believe in gay marriage. I think God intended in one man and one women. But God does not intend for any kind of assassinations. You can't judge a family or a group because of one persons actions. I agree you cannot judge the entire pro-life movement based on the actions of this one person. I was happy to hear groups come out with statements saying they don't support what the man did, even if they did disagree with Dr. Tiller. Posted by: Chris Location: Topeka My reaction is first and foremost, the killer should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. In the eyes of the law, Tiller was not guilty (repugnant though I find his acts to be, the law says otherwise). Second, it does set the anti-abortion cause back, because it reinforces the pro-abortion stereotype of anti-abortion supporters as whack jobs willing to kill those who do not agree with them. The murder of Tiller strengthens the pro-abortion side of the debate only to the extent that they are able to smear the entire anti-abortion movement with a broad brush, when we are looking at the act of one nut-bar. |
